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Polls re: new linux distribution
by Rich Edelman 24 Sep '06

24 Sep '06

Since the list has been slow lately, I figured I'd try to stir up some conversation/debate by asking a few questions. :) First a quick note. I'm an LFSer (Linux From Scratch) when I'm not using OpenSUSE. I've often thought of making some of my LFS packages available to the community, but haven't because of the nature of LFS. Anyway, I was thinking more about that tonight and decided to ask the list some questions. If you were to start a new linux distribution, what would you use for package management? rpm? dpkg? none (tar.bz2s)? portage? roll your own? What about managing dependencies and fetching packages from remote repositories? yast? apt? smart? yum? urpmi? portage? What architectures / hardware would you support? ppc? alpha? x86 / x86_64? On multilib capable arches (such as x86_64), would you support both 32 and 64 bit, or go 64 bit only? Would you go the way of Ubuntu, and work around Gnome mainly? Or the way SuSE traditionally was, and be mostly KDE oriented? There we go, I think that might get the ball rolling. :) Rich

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interesting PC recycling
by Brian Kelsay 24 Sep '06

24 Sep '06

I became a member of Freecycle a few months ago to get some stuff for my new duplex. I've since seen a few used monitors offered there and a few days ago, an old Compaq desktop with DamnSmallLinux pre-installed. I thought you guys might find that an interesting way to introduce new people to Linux, as well as a way to donate old hardware to someone in need. I would still offer stuff up to the KCLUG group first, since I personally know many of you, but for items that this group is not interested in, I'd put out on Freecycle maillist. Oren was bending my ear at the last meeting about LiveCDs and installs for old PCs, for donations and charity work. My recommendation stands with DamnSmallLinux and Puppy Linux. I believe both can save/restore sessions to USB pen drives or to remaining tracks on CD-R and RW disks that had ISO written as multi-session, if the PC has a CDRW drive. They then can use some unionfs, file overlays and possibly voodoo to restore settings, /home directories, add-on programs that have been downloaded, etc. Or either distro would easily and quickly install to even a small HDD, like a 1 GB or less. 64 MB is probably a realistic minimum RAM for these with a Pentium CPU (More RAM is always better, especially if ran as a LiveCD, up to 1GB). One other good use is a Linux Firewall using IPCop. There are many cheap and easy integrated firewall, switch, router, wireless APs out there, but for someone looking to learn some network security, IPCop is a viable option for more of this old hardware. Again, Pentium CPU and 32MB on up. Way more if you want to have a bunch of VPN connections, but I run on 64MB and a 2GB HDD. Just passing on info to get a little more useful life out of some of this hardware that is gathering dust in our basements.

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by Dale Beams 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

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Parts for sale
by Joe Brouhard 17 Sep '06

17 Sep '06

Everything listed here is essentially for sale at best offer and will be on a first come, first serve basis. Contact me at jbrouhard(a)gmail.com or at 816-248-4816 (I'm deaf, so I'll call you back using a relay service) if you have questions. Thanks in advance. Books: (Legend: Publisher BOOK TITLE – ISBN) Windows-Based: Thomson Course Technology MICROSOFT OFFICE 2003 SECOND EDITION – 0619268409 Osborn/McGraw-Hill MCSE WINDOWS 2000 PRO – 0072123893 Thomson Course Technology MCSE GUIDE TO WINDOWS XP PROFESISONAL – 0619217510 Microsoft 2274B MANAGING A WINDOWS 2003 SERVER ENVIRONMENT 0758075316 Microsoft 2276B IMPLEMENTING A WINDOWS 2003 NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE: HOSTS – 0785075235 Microsoft NETWORK+ CERTIFICATION – 0735614571 Microsoft Press NETWORKING ESSENTIALS SECOND EDITION – 1572319097 Microsoft WINDOWS 2000 SERVER – 0735617678 Network Marcraft NETWORK+ CERTIFICATION TRAINING GUIDE – 1518220138 Marcraft NETWORK+ CERTIFICATION TRAINING GUIDE – 151822012X Thomson Course Technology NETWORK+ CERTIFICATION THIRD EDITION – 0619287098 Sybex NETWORKING ESSENTIALS STUDY GUIDE – 0782126952 Linux UNIX FOR DUMMIES – 0764501305 REDHAT LINUX INTERNET SERVER – 0764547887 REDHAT RMP GUIDE – 0764549650 The FREEBSD CORPORATE NETWORKERS GUIDE – 0201704815 JUST ENOUGH UNIX – 0072302976 THE COMPLETE REFERENCE REDHAT ENTERPRISE LINUX & FEDORA EDITION – 0072230754 Oracle Oracle8 Database Administration Student Guide (3 books) Programming Course Technology AN INTRODUCTION TO PROGRAMMING WITH C++ - 076005018X THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUDIE TO C++ - 0789718162 Web Programming Macromedia USING DREAMWEAVER 3 – No ISBN THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO CREATING A WEBPAGE – 0789722569 Peach Pocket Press MACROMEDIA DREAMWEAVER FOR WINDOWS AND MAC – 0201734303 WROX DREAMWEAVER MX PHP WEB DEVELOPMENT – 0764543873 Computer Technology POCKET PC REFERENCE – 0885071272 PC TECHNICIAN'S TROUBLESHOOTING POCKET REFERENCE – 007212945x Thomson Course Technology A+ HARDWARE – 1418835617 BIGELOW'S TROUBLESHOOTING, MAINTAINING AND REPAIRING PCS 0072126868 Misc Books THE RIVERSIDE READER – 0395903648 THE READY REFERENCE HANDBOOK (WRITING, REVISING, EDITING) – 0205300200 COLLEGE ENGLISH – 0205283063 DOS 6.2 SIMPLIFIED – 0877096287 Computer Parts – Unknown motherboard Model TUWAM with Intel Celeron 1.2Ghz processor Uses SDRAM (PC133) has onboard video and audio Intel Pentium III 733 Mhz PGA370 Processor Various models of CDROMs and CDRW's (Mostly good if you're not planning to do heavy duty stuff with them) Hard Drives – 2 20GB (Western Digital), 1 4GB (IBM), 2 6.2GB (Western Digital) Have three 40GB MAXTOR drives, but I'm not sure if the drives are even usable (half the time it works, the other half it doesn't) Several NIC's (6 of them, all 3Com and 10/100) PCI IDE Card PCI SCSI Card (Adaptec AIC 3860Q) W/ Cable and IBM 18GB SCSI Drive Intel Celeron 333Mhz Slot 1 Processor w/ Heatsink Intel Pentium III 600Mhz Slot 1 Processor w/ Heatsink DLINK DI605 Ethernet Broadband Router w/ 4 ports Dell PowerEdge 4200 (really old) complete SCSI Set up and 3 SCSI drives (varying size.. totals about 18 or 20 GB) GAMES PSX GameShark CD Unreal Tournament 2003 PC Command & Conquer PC Command & Conquer Covert Operations PC Command & Conquer Red Alert PC Command & Conquer Red Alert The Aftermath PC Command & Conquer Red Alert Counterstrike PC Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell PC Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon PC Quake III Arena PC Delta Force: Black Hawk Down PC Delta Force: Black Hawk Down Team Sabre PC Delta Force: Extreme PC Game Strategy Guides All these books are Prima's. Starcraft Starcraft: Brood War Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 -- Joe Brouhard jbrouhard(a)gmail.com

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Re: ITEC Registration Deadline?
by crash3m 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

I'm planning on dragging a couple in as well, which distro will yours have? I will be sure to install a distro other than yours. On 9/14/06, Leo Mauler <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Last year I think Chris just posted the username and > password for the Exhibitor Login and let people sign > themselves up for Exhibitor badges. > > Frankly I'd like to be just an Exhibitor this year. > It felt weird manning the booth last year on a regular > Attendee badge. Also, Exhibitor folks can come in on > Tuesday to set up the booth, which would be nice given > that I plan on bringing a regular desktop system and > monitor this year. > > --- crash3m <crash3m(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On the same note, how do we get passes if we plan on > > manning the booth? > > > > On 9/12/06, Leo Mauler <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Does anyone know the deadline for registering as a > > > normal ITEC attendee? > > > > > > The ITEC website doesn't say there is one, but it > > does > > > say that all registration applications will be > > > evaluated, which implys a final point past which > > no > > > registrations will be accepted. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Got gmail? I do hahaha

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ITEC Dates and Times
by Christopher A. Bier 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

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KCLUG CSS
by Dale Beams 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

To clarify, This is not a standards war. This is not about KCLUG website re-design. This is about seeing what you can do with CSS Design. I merely chose KCLUG website as an exercise option. Feel free to use CSS Garden instead. Often KCLUG members (those in the boonies) do not get to see what their counterparts are doing in the field. This is an opportunity to show your stuff, to share, etc. I am curious and waiting with anticipation to see what CSS designs come out of the exercise. It is a design exercise for fun. ah, yes and #11. Your CSS should be posted on the list under Creative Commons License

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KCLUG CSS
by Dale Beams 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

Good morning KCLUGers, In the course of daily employment you hope every now and then you get one of those really cool projects that challenge everything you know. One of those were dropped in my lap, and the first thing I did was appeal to the KCLUGers IRC channel for direction. One of our forum members (djgoku) suggested the web site http://www.csszengarden.com/ to help in my learning curve. What a great site for inspiration. This got me thinking this KCLUG website. I hopped over to KCLUG and "viewed" source and the CSS behind it. I understand it was quite a bit of work to get the layout correct so it would display correctly in many browsers. I would like to propose a friendly unofficial "challenge" of sort, but more of an "opportunity" for the members to strut your CSS stuff. Beginner or Old sages alike, let's see what you can do. Here are the rules: 1. Content remains the same. Content being what you can visually see when visiting the main page. 2. You must retain somewhere in some form the KCLUG penguin and the banner. 3. You may use other graphics as overlays, etc. so long as it is original artwork. You retain all the copyright to any additional graphic or artwork you decide to include, with the understanding that if your design is used in the future by vote or administrative declaration KCLUG is allowed to use it free of royalties. 4. A design list needs to be added to showcase other people's designs (similar to what css garden has done). 5. Self promotion can only be done "hidden" within the code itself. No frontal display. 6. The design is limited to the front page (however with css you are designing a "look and feel" website layout. isn't this what CSS is for :-)) 7. It must pass W3 standards and WaSP standards as well. 8. Your CSS is posted to the list under the Subject "KCLUG CSS Design - (Subject)". 9. You understand your CSS may not see the light of day outside of the list. 10. Have fun. So, head over to CSS Garden, check it out and give it a whirl. Who knows, someone might spot your CSS and decide you are perfect for that CSS development job in the tropics or mediterranean and fly you all over the world spreading CSS goodness. Dale Beams

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Re: Custom Laptops
by Jonathan Hutchins 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

By the way, when I said it wasn't possible, I meant scratch-building your own out of components, not selecting features from a manufacturer, which obviously IS possible.

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ITEC Registration Deadline?
by Leo Mauler 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

Does anyone know the deadline for registering as a normal ITEC attendee? The ITEC website doesn't say there is one, but it does say that all registration applications will be evaluated, which implys a final point past which no registrations will be accepted. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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